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price hi everyone and welcome back to

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that UFO podcast my name is Andy and I

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am joined by an author researcher

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presenter playwright welcome addition to

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the UAP media UK team from across the

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pond and of course as if he didn't have

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enough titles host and creator of the

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brilliant somewhere in this guy's

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podcast everyone speak up a little bit

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for Ryan Sprague Ryan welcome back thank

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you buddy I know we were talking off air

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for probably longer than this actual

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episode will be right yeah that always

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seems to happen but no thank you for

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having me and um thanks for reaching out

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during that we're third month where yeah

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I kind of went deaf so uh

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um for anyone who who reached out to me

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I do truly appreciate it I know a lot of

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your listeners listen to my show too and

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everyone's just been so kind you know as

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a podcaster it's our job to to listen

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literally and I was not able to do that

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for for a while so it was a little scary

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but um moved onward moved upward and um

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yeah decided to release a book I guess

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and during all this craziness

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ironically no one's going to hear that

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piece either because I'm going to cut it

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out no I'm joking

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um but yeah no it's good to hear you're

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back here you're back no pun intended

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and obviously yeah you're back in the

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game and you never skipped a beat I

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think you had like a couple of days

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where you were going to release

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something and you had to put it off but

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life gets in the way it happens to all

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of us but podcasting goes on folks and

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yeah Ryan's here to talk about like he's

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mentioned a second book on the UFO topic

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following up on somewhere in the skies a

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human approach to UFO phenomenon was the

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first book you've been on you've spoken

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about that pick up a copy of it folks

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you might as well and go back and check

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out that interview at your latest book

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Ryan stories from somewhere in the skies

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is a compilation of experiences that

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were sent to you from ordinary everyday

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folks like myself uh I'm in the book and

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military personnel as well that really

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cover I think the length and breadth of

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the UFO conversation not just of what

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people see but what they hear and feel

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during the sightings and sometimes as

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we'll get to it more than sightings as

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well is that fair

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absolutely man you know um the podcast

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2016 and since then I've had hundreds of

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people uh reach out to me and submit

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their their stories and I created a

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series just for that called witness

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accounts and I think I'm up to almost

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like 30 volumes of this so it's clear

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that like you mentioned people in all

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walks of life are still having UFO

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sightings yeah a lot of them happened a

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while ago but I'm getting people still

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what a couple months ago I mean some of

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those stories you'll see in this new

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book are very recent I mean in the last

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few months I actually had to reach out

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to the publisher for one of them and be

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like oh I stopped the presses I've got a

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good one that just happened like two

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weeks ago and I think it'd be really

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good to to put it in there so yeah yeah

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it's um it's a vast array of phenomena

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clearly happening all around the world

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throughout the decades and I decided you

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know what why not just lay it all out

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there lay all the cards out just put the

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stories out there in book form so that

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you don't have to go back into the

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archives somewhere in the skies and and

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listen to everyone here's kind of my My

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Greatest Hits as I've been calling it 50

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stories that um hopefully people have

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never really heard before and will will

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get something out of them I hope

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well I think I'm if you're on YouTube

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background behind Ryan

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Ryan do you want to tell us and give the

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illustrator a bit of a shout out and

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creators on the podcast as best we can

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and who was it designed to cover and

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what does it show oh thank you for

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asking yeah so um the book cover artist

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um her Instagram handle is cult dot

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class and she does these really cool

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doing a lot of UFO collages and I was

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really curious like where did these come

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from why all of a sudden did she start

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like hey I'm a UFO researcher and I

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noticed you've got this new theme of

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UFOs throughout your work what's up with

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that and she's like oh honestly it's

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because I started listening to UFO

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podcasts you know she mentioned you at

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one point she mentioned me um I think

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she she said Joe Rogan fan as well and

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um she's like yeah I'd love to you know

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work with you someday somehow if that's

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ever possible if you're looking for like

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whatever new show art or stuff like that

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just like look I'm coming out with a new

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book if you have any interest I'd love

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to hire you to do the the entire cover

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and she was like you don't have to hire

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me consider it done

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um so yeah her name is Caitlin

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um and she just does incredible work she

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finish and you know I could be pretty

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podcast or the art that I use and uh she

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book came out but um

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creative person who has a passion for

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this topic as well and um together we

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created a cover that I'm super proud of

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it's a woman looking up into the sky and

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explain and I didn't really want you

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know like a flying saucer on the cover I

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didn't want to go that in your face so

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that I wanted it to be vague ambiguous

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and um that's kind of again what these

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phenomena often represent so she had the

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you know kind of the the stroke of

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Genius in my in my opinion to just put a

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reflection of Lights in the sunglasses

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sky and um I loved it I was like yup

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that's exactly what I wanted for this so

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yeah if Caitlyn grabenstein's listening

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uh thank you thank you for truly making

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the book something special people have

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I I just hope they also read the book

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yeah absolutely and obviously thanks to

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Caitlyn for listening to a couple of

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massive podcasts and Joe Rogan's as well

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so that's appreciated uh so um you've

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got a wonderful forward and uh from

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Diana Walsh basilka a former guest of

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your podcast my podcast and she's coming

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um she actually compared your approach

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to that of Jacques Valerian how did that

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make you feel uh

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vastly insecure

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um I was I was very humbled by that and

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um while I will have to respectfully

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disagree because Jacques Valley Jacques

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comparison that she made

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um you know Jacques has always been

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about the people yeah yeah he loves data

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and he he you know that's that's his

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thing too but he has always looked at

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the UFO phenomenon as a also a cultural

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phenomenon and what people's beliefs

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um represent and how that can influence

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what they're actually seeing and and

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whatnot so the fact that she mentioned

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Jacques and me in the same you know

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sentence I I was truly humbled because I

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did want to follow in the footsteps of

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UFO researchers like that who took a

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more humanistic approach to all of this

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I I respect the hell out of anyone who

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actually goes out there gathers data

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tries to find patterns and correlations

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um meanwhile I hope someone like me who

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who focuses more on the individuals

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having the experience can also find

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patterns and correlations in that sense

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and how can we merge that data together

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to try to more fully comprehend and

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understand these phenomena is that even

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possible I don't know but it's kind of

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the approach that I I've made since I

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started you know looking into UFOs and

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the approach I still take today I I

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truly think there's something there

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the the first book obviously as I

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mentioned the title was somewhere in the

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skies a human approached the UFO

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phenomenon we talked about that at

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length and and what you enjoy about that

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approach the individuals we talk about

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you know Kevin Day who famously was

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involved in the Nimitz Princeton

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incident 2004 and how he first saw this

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it all came out sit in a diner didn't he

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you know and it was just gobsmacked

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there it was on TV this encounter that

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it cannot massively affected his life

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and and have it affected his life you

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know in quite dramatic ways as people

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had and his own kind of personal demons

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shall we say over the years and he's

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gonna come out the other end of that um

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and that's something that you've really

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honed in on again for the second book

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getting the individual's testimony and a

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quote just after the forward from 17th

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century clergyman and historian Thomas

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Fuller I had to Google that

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um seeing is believing but feeling as

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truth

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a lot of what draws people into this

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topic is testimony also there are just

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as many folks I think who it divides and

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drives away because they hate just the

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idea of it's someone's story

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um testimony relies on what the witness

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has seen what they feel what they heard

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what they sensed it's their word against

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anyone else's and I know that my my

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stories in your book

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um are two of them and it literally

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could be me making it making it up it's

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not I've said that before but this could

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be 50 stories of people telling you lies

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what is it that attracts you to

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testimony from individuals when they

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don't necessarily have data or evidence

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to back it up I'm happy you bring that

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up because you're right you know I I

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can't I I'm not here to convince anyone

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that these experiences actually happen

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I'm not here to convince anyone that

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UFOs are extraterrestrial

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interdimensional Time Travelers or black

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budget projects I'm here to tell people

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stories then give them platform to do

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that so I I don't judge I was not there

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when these events happened I've used

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that excuse I guess a lot of people say

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um for many years now but it's true like

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I was not there when you saw what you

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saw nobody was there when I saw what I

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saw

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um so all we have is to rely on these

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individuals that they are telling us a

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truth and I use a truth because it is

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their truth I I truly believe that and

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that's why I use that quote by the

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clergy man in the beginning like yeah a

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lot of people believe that seeing

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something is to believe it when for me I

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think it really comes down to uh feeling

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like a gut feeling and for the 50

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stories I included in this book

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um I just used my gut these were the

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stories that stuck out to me that seemed

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the most credible in many different ways

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but that also resonated with me I mean I

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you know that feeling of looking up and

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seeing something that you can readily

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process or comprehend and

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um I got that from a lot of these

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stories I I could see myself kind of in

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the shoes of these individuals even

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though I wasn't there so it really does

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come down to feeling for me

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um and that's why I decided to include

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these stories because these are the

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stories where it did drastically affect

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people it did change them and honestly

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man they're just weird like a lot of the

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stories in this book are

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weird and I love that I

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absolutely love that it's not your

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prototypical just gray saucer in the sky

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yeah so aside from gut feeling like

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what's what's your watch Ryan Spriggs

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five observables for making your book

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you know have you got like a a hit

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that's an excess box a Texas box it

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maybe messes this but there's an off

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covered here that it gets in as opposed

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to

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whatever reason it doesn't make it

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because of X or Y what can I cut off

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points for you

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yeah so I mean for me I it's not again

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like it's not the five observables as

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we've come to know it like I'm not here

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to try to resolve I'm not showing

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Kirkpatrick I'm not Luis Elizondo I'm

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not I'm not trying to

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um you know stop a Potential Threat from

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happening

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um I'm here to listen to the person's

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story and I know I keep saying that and

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dragging it out but it's true like I

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love doing that I'm the guy like you

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mentioned I'm a playwright too I'll sit

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in the back of like a bar back when I

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was in New York or even here in Scotland

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and just listen to the conversations

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around me

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um kind of eavesdrop on people because I

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just love I love how individuals

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interact with one another and um and

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kind of hearing their stories

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um even if I probably shouldn't be I I

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know it comes off a little creepy

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um but that's what playwrights do we try

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to understand people and and

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convey that through our own characters

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and Creations

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um I'm going off on a diet tribe here I

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apologize um no no my my observables are

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then um I I will Circle it back to my

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playwriting

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a UFO sighting is a pinnacle moment in

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someone's life

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sometimes not always but a lot of the

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times it changes them

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um it changes their entire framework and

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what they believe fundamentally a lot of

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the times in a play it's the same exact

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thing otherwise why the hell are we

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sitting in an uncomfortable seat for two

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hours in the dark watching this thing

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play out like something has to happen

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something they need to change throughout

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the course of a play

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um so these were the stories that I felt

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I could really truly show in individual

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in one way an obstacle an experience and

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change by the end of it and come out on

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the other side

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um with with just the world being

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different

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um and and that's kind of what I did

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that I guess that's my observables I

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can't go with like

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Point by Point by point but these are

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the ones that stuck out to me the I

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guess what I'm trying to really say is

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these are the stories that I think I

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could put on a stage like that I could

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like throw in front of people and be

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like hey for the next three hours you're

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gonna watch all these people who say

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that they had a UFO sighting and

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um see if it resonates with you at all

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and my goal and My Hope Is by the end

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everyone's either going to be laughing

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crying or talking about it afterwards

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that's the dream of any writer is that

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you know if they leave the theater and

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it's just like ah whatever let's go to

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the bar and forget this ever happened

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um you failed as a writer

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um you want them to talk about that

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for weeks and weeks and years to come

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um so I hope that's what happens with

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this book I hope people will read it and

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connect somehow with some of the stories

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and be like wow yeah whatever the hell

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these things are in the skies um they're

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doing something to people

439
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as what's your limit is there something

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that you get to in this UFO topic I

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think many of us have either aspects of

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it we struggle with or that you maybe

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Reserve judgment but you go look for me

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this is the kind of Step too far and

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that's different for everybody you know

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in terms of the conversation I've often

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said you know or stories and orb

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testimony as much as the the orb thing

449
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seems to be coming back into you know

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the kind of the Forefront of the

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conversation because of the most alarm

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stuff from Jerry mccorbell and George

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Knapp and what Dr Sean Kirkpatrick

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showed at the recent hearings and but

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for me you look at the Bledsoe story and

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some of the things people share you look

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and go ah looks so much like dust or a

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flower or a bug

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um what for what for you or do you have

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anything that you go ah this just

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doesn't kind of turn it on for me hmm

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that's a tough question because I feel

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like I I changed my mind constantly when

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it comes to that like I think

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I think there were moments probably in

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the last uh year or so where I got super

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cynical and like

468
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um my skeptic cat was just just getting

469
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bigger and bigger and bigger and um I

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had to step back and and I think a lot

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of that Andy had to do with everything

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going on in in the UFO conversation now

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it was the constant debates back and

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forth on did the gimbal rotate or

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um did the Tic Tac actually go from 80

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000 feet to the surface and then back to

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eight blah blah blah blah blah um

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endless debates and conversations about

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the very minutia of a lot of these

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military UFO events um and then you

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would have people in the UFO field just

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ripping each other to shreds about

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um

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just such small things and I know those

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small things add up to big things that

486
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could eventually solve a case I get it I

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totally get it um

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but for me I I wanted to go back to why

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I originally got involved with any of

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this and that was uh crazy stories

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from people who who

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um have seen things they can't explain

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so

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now when I am looking at a lot of these

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cases that I think might sound

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ridiculous I I'm now embracing it more

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than ever like that for example there's

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a case in Fife Scotland in the book from

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a dude named Tommy and when I originally

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heard this story I'm like ah I don't

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want to put this in the book it's too

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weird that was for the original book

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somewhere in the skies like I want this

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to come across as super credible and

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people are just gonna think you know

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that that's just too strange

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um

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and that story was about literally this

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like

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crazy oil slick that was on a road that

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this guy Tommy saw and um this oil slick

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came levitated off of the ground and

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started ascending into the sky and

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meanwhile it's like boiling and bubbling

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getting bigger and bigger and it's also

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making this crazy ass noise

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um that was like deafening to Tommy and

518
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his friend that were seeing this and

519
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there was electricity happening all

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around this bubbling black blob that it

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just like ascended from the ground and

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then it just shot up into the sky and

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disappeared so crazy ass story that I

524
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was like uh just a little a little too

525
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too out there for me um whereas now I'm

526
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like I have to put that in the book

527
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that's insane if this actually happened

528
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wow like that's a UFO I've never seen or

529
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heard of before

530
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um so I think again man it's just about

531
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embracing the more High strangeness

532
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aspects to a lot of this

533
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um so I saw that as an evolution in my

534
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own thinking in my own um uh open-minded

535
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,000
approach to this stuff and I I feel like

536
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all of us in the UFO field go through

537
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these Ebbs and flows throughout this

538
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journey of believing and not believing

539
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or or judging something and then being

540
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open to it and right now I'm more open

541
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than ever I'm embracing the woo man and

542
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and it's actually been pretty fun

543
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whether I believe it or not is

544
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completely separate from yeah from the

545
00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:25,679
conversation

546
00:21:29,870 --> 00:21:28,200
um these people believe it it is their

547
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:29,880
truth again like I mentioned in that

548
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:32,640
that clergyman quote and I just wanted

549
00:21:37,789 --> 00:21:34,620
to let them tell the story in whatever

550
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,799
way they see fit so no limits Limitless

551
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:39,679
right now over at somewhere in the skies

552
00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:42,960
nice I I like that approach and I I can

553
00:21:46,669 --> 00:21:44,220
agree and resonate with that whole

554
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,679
having taken a reset at times because

555
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,720
you know you have a podcast and I've got

556
00:21:52,370 --> 00:21:50,880
a podcast it's very much like it's down

557
00:21:54,289 --> 00:21:52,380
to kind of what you want it to sound

558
00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:54,299
like you know you don't have to listen

559
00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:55,980
to everyone wants this and everyone

560
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,140
wants that because everyone's different

561
00:22:01,430 --> 00:22:00,240
and I've put out shows sometimes when

562
00:22:03,649 --> 00:22:01,440
I've thought and I'll be honest recently

563
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:03,659
the crop circle one where uh Karen

564
00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:05,460
Alexander and Gary king

565
00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:07,500
um UK based researchers crop circles

566
00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:09,059
there's quite a niche with a new UFO

567
00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:11,880
topic and I wasn't sure how that one

568
00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:13,320
would go down and when I announced it

569
00:22:16,370 --> 00:22:14,940
you get a few people who are like I

570
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:16,380
don't agree with the whole crop circle

571
00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:19,260
not my bag all that kind of stuff so

572
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,240
many people got in touch to say thanks

573
00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:23,039
for finally doing an episode on crop

574
00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:25,140
circles love the idea of crop circles

575
00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:27,240
and like I say it's it's a kind of split

576
00:22:30,830 --> 00:22:28,980
split thing because some people love it

577
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:30,840
some people are on the fence some people

578
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,000
not so much but there was people who

579
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,799
appreciated it and wanted to hear it and

580
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,480
that's that whole variety pack of cereal

581
00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:37,919
you know there's something for everyone

582
00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:40,200
and that's the UFO topic and a nutshell

583
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:42,179
and you cannot forget sometimes that

584
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:43,980
it's not always about what's happening

585
00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:45,780
in the US it's not always about the

586
00:22:49,549 --> 00:22:47,640
historical stuff it's there's something

587
00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:49,559
for everyone within it and you have to

588
00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:51,720
kind of reset sometimes and go I like

589
00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:53,220
this but someone else likes this and

590
00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:55,620
someone else likes this someone like all

591
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,539
of it and then other people are very

592
00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:59,520
very Niche and like like what they like

593
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:01,140
and yeah you just have to reset

594
00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:02,940
sometimes with it and

595
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,620
um I like in the book you've split any

596
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,240
three parts you've got sightings Close

597
00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:08,640
Encounters and military personnel and so

598
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:09,960
we'll dig into each of those a little

599
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,480
bit why those three particular aspects

600
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:15,600
of a UFO experience yeah so I mean

601
00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:17,940
sightings obviously is the most common

602
00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:21,000
thing in the world of UFOs everyone's

603
00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:23,220
seen something in the sky they can

604
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:24,900
explain mostly everyone

605
00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:27,179
um so that is obviously the largest

606
00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:29,880
portion of the book I I when I looked at

607
00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:32,220
the chapter like the table of contents

608
00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:34,440
it was like sightings was the whole

609
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:37,080
first page and second of the half the

610
00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:39,000
next page um and then you know Close

611
00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:40,980
Encounters a little bit of a chunk and

612
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,260
then military even smaller

613
00:23:48,490 --> 00:23:45,840
um it just makes sense statistically you

614
00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:48,500
know um sightings include everybody

615
00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:53,580
civilians in every country State Town

616
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:55,320
um so obviously that's statistically

617
00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:57,299
going to be the most things that I cover

618
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:59,340
but I did throughout the years I've had

619
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,380
people also come to me with close

620
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,919
encounter cases where they literally saw

621
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:06,480
intelligence or occupants to the said

622
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,580
craft that they cited

623
00:24:12,169 --> 00:24:10,080
um and then military I mean obviously

624
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:12,179
everyone loves those cases

625
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:14,220
um and I've had those as well people who

626
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,480
reached out to me and told their

627
00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:17,760
military stories so I thought those were

628
00:24:23,950 --> 00:24:20,520
three clearing concise ways to kind of

629
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:23,960
convey uh the the

630
00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:27,360
volumenous amount of phenomena that's

631
00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:28,620
occurring I mean some of the military

632
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:30,900
ones you would expect to be like a

633
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,659
little bit more rigid and um you know

634
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:35,760
these are trained observers and they'd

635
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:38,940
be a bit more uh evidence driven when in

636
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:41,700
reality I think like the five or six

637
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:43,980
military cases I cover are some of the

638
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:47,220
most insane ones in the book yeah all

639
00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:49,500
having happened on actual military bases

640
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:51,539
this wasn't just like a military veteran

641
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:53,820
who had a UFO encounter 20 years later

642
00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:56,220
all of the military cases in my book

643
00:25:00,649 --> 00:24:58,440
take place on the base while they're in

644
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,659
service so I think that says something

645
00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:03,360
too so yeah yeah I thought that last

646
00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:04,500
section

647
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:07,260
um was really powerful because yeah you

648
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:10,200
military UFO cases are are the Talk of

649
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:11,760
the Town now they've been for the past

650
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,900
few years

651
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,880
um so I wanted to cover some that really

652
00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:17,520
haven't gotten as much coverage as the

653
00:25:24,049 --> 00:25:20,700
Tic Tac or the the gimbal or the muscle

654
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:24,059
orb or what have you um some really out

655
00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:26,700
there cases from people who are trained

656
00:25:30,169 --> 00:25:28,860
observers and are just like you and me

657
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,179
like yeah maybe they're in the military

658
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,400
but they're human beings and they had

659
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:34,799
these crazy things happen to them as

660
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:37,260
well uh same with a close encounter so

661
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:39,480
like some people might brush it off like

662
00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:42,419
I don't believe in occupants of I don't

663
00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:44,279
believe in like the alien aspect to a

664
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:46,760
lot of this but hey these are credible

665
00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:50,520
individuals who said they saw it so I'm

666
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:51,720
not going to take that away from them

667
00:25:57,470 --> 00:25:54,600
I'll put it out to the public to decide

668
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,480
well obviously you come on here to

669
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,799
discuss this with me and we can have a

670
00:26:02,090 --> 00:26:00,000
chat and hopefully people enjoy the

671
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,100
conversation we then let's be honest

672
00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:03,840
want people to go and pick up a copy of

673
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,460
your book and hopefully they they hear

674
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,440
enough on this to go and do that if they

675
00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:08,880
haven't done so already and I've seen

676
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:11,159
Lots on Lovely testimony from from folks

677
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:12,419
online and reviews if you haven't

678
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:14,220
reviewed the book and you have bought it

679
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:15,960
please go and do that for Ryan I know

680
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:17,100
you would very much appreciate it

681
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,659
especially if you bought off Amazon on

682
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:19,919
the platform

683
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:21,900
um but we'll dig into a little bit of

684
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:23,340
each section without giving too much

685
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,720
away because then that just you know

686
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:26,640
waste your time in writing the book um

687
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,960
do you want to pick maybe a little bit

688
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:29,760
from each section to discuss I don't

689
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,779
know if you want to start with military

690
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,460
personnel because you talked about it

691
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:34,799
but whatever order you want maybe a

692
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:36,900
favorite aspect of each part

693
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:39,720
yeah sure um in terms of the military

694
00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:41,640
ones I was really racking my brain

695
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:43,740
because you know you're one of the first

696
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:45,480
podcasts I've come on since the book

697
00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:48,720
came out and when you're trying to talk

698
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,140
about like a new book or project

699
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:54,720
um I it's like I went I'm going back to

700
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:57,960
like my my first days as being on a

701
00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:00,419
podcast I'm so nervous and like insecure

702
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,580
about the stuff that I put in the book

703
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:04,740
so I'm like Andy I don't know these

704
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:07,140
cases that well yet I'm sorry dude if

705
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:09,659
like I I get stuff wrong and you are

706
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:11,640
just like just pick your favorites man

707
00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:13,799
just pick like whatever come and I

708
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:15,659
really appreciated that because

709
00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:18,840
um there are cases in here that really

710
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:20,700
stood out to me and one of the military

711
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:22,500
ones um

712
00:27:27,890 --> 00:27:25,320
has never been told before in in any

713
00:27:30,890 --> 00:27:27,900
Medium television book uh it was first

714
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:30,900
told on on my podcast and when it came

715
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,400
to me I was like

716
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,340
whoa this is pretty crazy

717
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:36,960
um so yeah I can run through this one

718
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:39,900
pretty quickly um but uh for any of your

719
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:41,880
people watching this I am going to be

720
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:44,880
referring to a few notes um this one was

721
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:47,400
called the fire figure in the outback

722
00:27:51,049 --> 00:27:49,080
um so like you mentioned where so you

723
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:51,059
saw this stuff happening in the U.S but

724
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,860
it's happening all over

725
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:54,900
um and it came to a woman from uh

726
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:57,179
Australia and who went by the name dalen

727
00:28:02,570 --> 00:27:59,940
and she did 15 years in the Australian

728
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:02,580
uh Defense Forces uh she was an

729
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,640
Electronics technician and um then her

730
00:28:12,289 --> 00:28:07,679
last four years in service she was a dog

731
00:28:15,769 --> 00:28:12,299
dog handler with a military police so um

732
00:28:18,289 --> 00:28:15,779
back in 2009 when she was stationed at a

733
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:18,299
base out in the outback she um her and

734
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:19,740
her partner they started witnessing

735
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:21,900
these strange lights in a V formation

736
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:24,600
over you know the base and this was

737
00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:25,860
really late at night they weren't

738
00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:27,900
expecting any incoming aircraft or

739
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:30,600
outgoing aircraft so she's like oh it's

740
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,279
kind of weird so she radios the flight

741
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:33,840
Tower and she's like are there any

742
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,360
flights scheduled tonight I'm like no no

743
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:38,880
why and like we there is literally

744
00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:41,460
something over the base and again very

745
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:44,039
classic v formation kind of like the

746
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:46,260
Phoenix Lights or um you know something

747
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:47,340
like that

748
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,460
and they're like no

749
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:53,039
um can you go try to get closer and see

750
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,840
if you guys can identify it yeah sure

751
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,360
sure so they continue out over this

752
00:29:03,430 --> 00:28:59,760
flight path on the base and um

753
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:03,440
it's very dry and desert like out there

754
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:06,299
and while they're watching this feed

755
00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:08,340
formation of Lights Out There

756
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:10,679
dalen notices something

757
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,740
um down below like in the brush near the

758
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:15,480
flight path and she's like what the heck

759
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:18,600
is that and it literally looked like the

760
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:20,580
brush was on fire she was like oh God

761
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:23,100
we've got a fire like call the fire

762
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:24,720
department so they radio the fire

763
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,980
department they're like we think we have

764
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:27,840
a brush fire out here

765
00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:28,980
um you guys should probably get out here

766
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:30,659
and like okay well we're coming out as

767
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:31,980
quick as we can

768
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,039
um so Devlin and her partner they move

769
00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:37,200
towards it to try to get a better look

770
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,299
make sure it's contained this that this

771
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:42,000
that and that's when they noticed that

772
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:43,980
um whatever the v formation of lights

773
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:46,440
were in the sky uh were still there

774
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,340
stationary not moving and Below whatever

775
00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:53,039
this brush fire was when she got closer

776
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:57,419
she noticed it was a self-isolated like

777
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:01,200
Fireball almost like just glowing orange

778
00:30:08,029 --> 00:30:06,240
red and inside of this Fireball is what

779
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:08,039
she described as

780
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:11,460
um a figure a fire figure and I actually

781
00:30:15,529 --> 00:30:13,559
have a quote from her here from from the

782
00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:15,539
book she says it looked like there was

783
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,600
just a pair of legs not like standing in

784
00:30:23,149 --> 00:30:20,880
there burning but the shape of legs in

785
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:23,159
this light there was nobody attached to

786
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:25,500
it there were no feet all I could see

787
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:27,659
was a pair of skinny little calves knees

788
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:29,220
and thighs

789
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:31,799
so pretty crazy you got like this kind

790
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:34,980
of um just lower half of a figure inside

791
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,700
of this glowing stationary Fireball and

792
00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:40,799
um eventually the fire department gets

793
00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:43,559
out there and as soon as they get there

794
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:46,380
the light just flickers out on the

795
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:49,260
ground and disappears and the fire

796
00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:51,720
people are what the hell what just

797
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:52,679
happened

798
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:55,380
all of them go up closer to where this

799
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:56,700
happened now

800
00:31:03,470 --> 00:30:59,880
um and all they see on the ground is

801
00:31:06,610 --> 00:31:03,480
this uh oval-shaped like

802
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:06,620
perfect oval shaped um

803
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:10,320
impression I guess on the ground of Ash

804
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:12,899
and sand and

805
00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:15,419
nothing else so whatever this thing was

806
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,159
it just

807
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:19,500
like a like a light switch went off and

808
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:20,700
was gone

809
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:23,399
um but there was no burning around there

810
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:26,100
there was no smell of fire absolutely

811
00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:27,419
nothing

812
00:31:32,049 --> 00:31:29,880
um and they look up and the thing the v

813
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:32,059
formation is still hovering above them

814
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:35,340
it eventually disappears and

815
00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:36,899
they think that's it

816
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:38,580
um fire department kind of just throws

817
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:40,679
some water on it just in case and then

818
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:42,360
it goes away

819
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:44,220
um and dalen and her partner were kind

820
00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:46,740
of just left there dumbfounded and when

821
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:48,779
they went to their superiors uh her

822
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:52,620
commander uh they actually made Dylan

823
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:54,600
and her partner take drug tests because

824
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,700
they thought that they had been on

825
00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:57,600
something

826
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,080
um and told her and her partner that

827
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:03,840
obviously you guys you like maybe there

828
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,340
was something there but you're making up

829
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:07,919
the rest like so don't put any of this

830
00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:10,140
in the report that you have to make so

831
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:12,539
basically uh they were told not to talk

832
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:15,240
about it and and that was kind of it and

833
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:17,520
you know dalen kind of kept this in like

834
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:19,860
many military people do for many many

835
00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:22,020
years until she started listening to

836
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:24,179
somewhere in the skies and said I've got

837
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,340
a crazy ass story

838
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:28,559
um I it might be too weird for you but

839
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:31,080
here it is and that's a story she gave

840
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:32,700
me and

841
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,159
um I was blown away man like just the

842
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,200
the detail she puts in this and you can

843
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,360
read it in the book it's just amazing

844
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,240
and um and and it stuck with me as

845
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:45,120
something really really unique you know

846
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:46,860
you don't just have the UFO of her head

847
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:49,799
you now have something on the ground on

848
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:52,559
a military base happening in real time

849
00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:55,679
and then after all of this uh being told

850
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,860
yeah you made it all up uh it's got to

851
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:00,960
be frustrating it it I I can't even

852
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,700
imagine what her and so many other

853
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:04,320
military people go through when they try

854
00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:06,299
to report these things and they're told

855
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:09,299
nope you're not so yeah that's one that

856
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:11,820
really sticks out to me yeah I love that

857
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,559
and um I think in my head when people

858
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:14,880
are telling me these kind of things you

859
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,500
start to paint a mental picture of

860
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:17,760
what's going on and what it looks like

861
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:19,320
and I'm sure everyone done that who is

862
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:21,240
listening who has that kind of

863
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,340
functionality in their heads and I

864
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:24,720
started thinking kind of doctor strange

865
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:27,000
you know when he makes his portals I see

866
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:29,220
the other side of it and it's a

867
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:30,779
different place there's people there and

868
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:32,279
thinking of you know end game as they

869
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:33,360
all come through and you can see the

870
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,399
different figures and and it makes you

871
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,740
think is it again is the more you get

872
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,600
into the UFO topic you come away from

873
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:41,880
it's just aliens coming on a craft from

874
00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:43,740
a different planet is it a different

875
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,539
dimension different reality is that a

876
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,580
bit of a mix of both because you've got

877
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:49,200
the craft or you've got something above

878
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:50,820
head let's say and you've got something

879
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,740
on the ground manifesting whether it's

880
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,960
an orb a fire orb a portal whatever it

881
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,940
might be and I think in my head I start

882
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:59,039
to start to think of that

883
00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:01,260
um so yeah really really cool story

884
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:02,700
um if anyone else can have visualize

885
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:04,140
that differently be interesting to hear

886
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:08,040
here otherwise but what do you think

887
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:09,480
when you hear that kind of story do you

888
00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:11,700
go to and I'm from a conclusion point of

889
00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:14,580
view is that a craft that's manifesting

890
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:16,619
a portal down beneath do you think it's

891
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:18,899
they're beaming down I don't know what

892
00:34:20,690 --> 00:34:19,859
I'll shut up and just ask you the

893
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,700
question what do you think the

894
00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:23,280
conclusion is there what's happening so

895
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,980
this actually Harkens back to my first

896
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:28,320
book and I didn't really make these

897
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,359
comparisons until a few nights ago like

898
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:32,639
literally I was in bed thinking about

899
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,500
some of these stories

900
00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:36,000
um because the book was now out there

901
00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:37,619
and I'm like oh I'm like racking my

902
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:39,000
brain I'm like oh what are people gonna

903
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,339
think of this story or this one

904
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:43,200
um and I still talk to a lot of people

905
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,859
from both uh editions of my original

906
00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:48,960
book and this new one all the time like

907
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:51,899
we still I I talked to so many witnesses

908
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:53,580
constantly to see if these things are

909
00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:55,379
still happening or if they've had an

910
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:56,760
evolution and thought about what it

911
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:58,020
might be

912
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:00,060
um so I talked to dalen a lot

913
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,480
um but anyways I I like sat up in bed

914
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:05,460
because I had this light bulb moment of

915
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,560
connect action between a story from my

916
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:10,320
first book and dalen's book and that was

917
00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:13,500
the story of Chase kletzky who had this

918
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,440
really dramatic event happen

919
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:18,720
um that I told at the Manchester event

920
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:21,780
that you and I spoke at recently and um

921
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:23,940
that was as a mufon field investigator

922
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,220
Chase saw what she believes was a gray

923
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:29,040
alien being in a cornfield in the middle

924
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:33,480
of the U.S in the Midwest and um there

925
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:35,220
were crafts seen overhead while all this

926
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:37,980
was happening as well and since you know

927
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,020
coming out with that story in my book

928
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:41,760
and and Chase has talked about it on

929
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:43,800
other interviews as well

930
00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:46,260
um a lot of people looked at that story

931
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:50,520
as huh it sounds like the UFO like

932
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:52,980
brought down the beings to do whatever

933
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,320
they're doing and like something

934
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,359
happened and this is like a rescue

935
00:36:02,569 --> 00:35:59,940
mission to try to get get the being back

936
00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:02,579
or whatever and it and it failed

937
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:03,240
um

938
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:06,300
so I kind of looked at it that says oh

939
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,599
what if like this UFO that dalen

940
00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:12,000
saw in the outback of Australia in 2009

941
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,859
what if it's a similar thing where like

942
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:16,320
they were scoping out this base you know

943
00:36:19,550 --> 00:36:17,820
a lot of these UFOs are seen over

944
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:19,560
military installations nuclear

945
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:21,180
installations

946
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:24,839
um and kinda when they noticed that

947
00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:26,820
someone was coming out there and was it

948
00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:30,599
was was saw it that boom like the being

949
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:32,579
just like you said Doctor Strange did

950
00:36:38,569 --> 00:36:35,400
and disappeared back into the the portal

951
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:38,579
or the UFO I don't know but um the the

952
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:41,940
similarities Were Striking uh for me so

953
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:43,740
so that's kind of where I'm at right now

954
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:45,420
if we want to go in terms of like

955
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,780
theorizing I feel like whatever that

956
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:51,540
fire figure thing was on that military

957
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:54,420
installation it was out there for some

958
00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:56,820
reason I don't know that reason but as

959
00:37:00,770 --> 00:36:58,859
soon as dalen

960
00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:00,780
um started talking about seeing the UFO

961
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:02,520
in the sky they're probably like up

962
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:05,160
we've been we've been outed like we we

963
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,079
gotta we're done we're done here moving

964
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:09,839
on and uh yeah yeah so that's kind of

965
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:11,880
where I'm at right now ask me tomorrow

966
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,140
I'll probably have a completely

967
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:14,880
different answer for you

968
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:16,740
no that's fear and I think a lot of us

969
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:18,060
are like that I've always said I've got

970
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:20,220
a very fluid opinion with the UFO topic

971
00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:22,500
and sightings and different things so as

972
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,119
new evidence comes up our new opinions

973
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:26,400
it lets me kind of make my own malleable

974
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:28,740
and can I move it about a little bit and

975
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:30,420
the other two parts were sightings and

976
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:32,040
close encounters so do you want to pick

977
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:33,480
one of those and dig into one of the

978
00:37:36,349 --> 00:37:34,380
cases

979
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:36,359
yeah sure um

980
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:38,700
the close encounter ones I'm still kind

981
00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:41,099
of working my way through them but the

982
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:43,560
one that really kind of stood out to me

983
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:47,160
was uh this guy in

984
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:51,540
um Mike was his name um in New Jersey in

985
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:54,900
the U.S uh he and a friend had a black

986
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:58,140
triangle UFO sighting uh that occurred

987
00:38:02,349 --> 00:38:00,300
they were in their car driving they see

988
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:02,359
this massive black triangle in the sky

989
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:05,160
uh Just Darts off and disappears okay

990
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,560
cool just yet another black triangle

991
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:09,839
sighting to add to the many others that

992
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:11,099
have happened

993
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:14,280
um but that was you know I thought the

994
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,980
end of the story until he's like so we

995
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:20,160
park the car at you know near my house

996
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:23,400
and we get out to go into my house and

997
00:38:28,670 --> 00:38:27,180
walking down the sidewalk is just a gray

998
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,680
alien

999
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:31,200
you know Mosey and right down the

1000
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:33,480
sidewalk of New Jersey

1001
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:37,260
um Stark naked walking by as if you know

1002
00:38:41,089 --> 00:38:39,540
it had just come from the grocery store

1003
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:41,099
or something

1004
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:42,780
um so

1005
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:44,940
it sounds utterly ridiculous now that

1006
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:46,740
I'm saying it out loud

1007
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:48,180
um and even when I originally heard the

1008
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,440
story I'm like what

1009
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,560
but then you know he goes into

1010
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,720
um you know how he and his friends his

1011
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:57,119
friend reacted to all this and it was

1012
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,900
with utter uh just bewilderment that

1013
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:03,119
neither of them wanted to talk about it

1014
00:39:07,849 --> 00:39:05,700
you know he he said did you just see

1015
00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:07,859
that and his friend was like yup

1016
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:11,640
well should we discuss that nope

1017
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:15,359
and and that was kind of it so

1018
00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:17,640
take that for what you will um that was

1019
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:19,740
a that was a small section called uh

1020
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,960
alien on the sidewalk I believe I called

1021
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:23,280
it in the book

1022
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:26,040
um so that is a very close encounter

1023
00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:29,160
um as as for sightings

1024
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:31,020
um let me just add to the add to that

1025
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,660
one yeah yeah straightway I think you

1026
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:35,280
mentioned earlier there's a play there

1027
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:37,500
Ryan that could also be the opening of a

1028
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:39,240
play and then the rest of it is those

1029
00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:41,099
two guys on a couch in their house

1030
00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:42,900
talking about what just happened and

1031
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,099
there you go so if you want to write

1032
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:46,079
that one up I'll take a small credit

1033
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,440
from you um and my head though

1034
00:39:54,109 --> 00:39:52,079
someone in a costume walking past you

1035
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,119
know someone dressed up could be

1036
00:39:59,230 --> 00:39:56,640
absolutely could be a small child I'm

1037
00:40:02,210 --> 00:39:59,240
guessing not you know potentially

1038
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:02,220
regulation you know I I never I never

1039
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:04,760
again I I'm the book isn't to explain

1040
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:08,040
these things by any stretch of the

1041
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:10,020
imagination that's not what I set out to

1042
00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:10,800
do

1043
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:12,839
um but yeah like this all could have

1044
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,200
been some weird I don't know marketing

1045
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:18,240
Ploy a prank

1046
00:40:23,650 --> 00:40:21,000
um they could be making it up I I don't

1047
00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:23,660
believe they are honestly again like

1048
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,700
I've spoken to this gentleman many many

1049
00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:27,599
times

1050
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:30,320
um he even showed me journal entries

1051
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:33,300
that he had made that day you know he

1052
00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:35,880
was very very big on um you know

1053
00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:38,460
journaling every day and he showed me

1054
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,460
like here it is like here's the date I

1055
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:43,440
can't prove that I wrote it on this date

1056
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:45,780
but you know it's in between these dates

1057
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:47,400
this is what happened and he laid it out

1058
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:49,020
for me showed me images of the journal

1059
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:51,660
entry and um talked about how it made

1060
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,420
him feel and this and that and um and

1061
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:57,359
there you go man so like again it comes

1062
00:41:02,270 --> 00:40:58,800
down to

1063
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:02,280
um a gut feeling and I believe something

1064
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,920
happened to these two guys I I honestly

1065
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:06,960
do whether or not an actual alien gray

1066
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,579
walked down the sidewalk after they had

1067
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:11,040
this UFO setting I can't tell you

1068
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:12,660
um but yeah I thought it was an

1069
00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:15,060
interesting story and and I just wanted

1070
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:17,339
to get it out there for his sake um so

1071
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,079
yeah

1072
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:21,000
let me out I'll be fair and your phrase

1073
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:22,380
there it could be

1074
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:24,300
um you you actually repeat that several

1075
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,460
times on the the video you regret

1076
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:27,839
posting on Twitter

1077
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:30,599
um about 12 hours ago because if you

1078
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:31,980
have not seen it jump on it Ryan's

1079
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:34,200
Twitter you'll see uh he posted a video

1080
00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:36,060
we can discuss that if you like briefly

1081
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:37,079
if you want

1082
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:38,520
um and you ask people what do you think

1083
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:42,000
it is and people all kinds of stuff and

1084
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:43,560
obviously you get a lot of trolling and

1085
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:46,260
everything and yeah very good it just

1086
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:48,180
happens in the topic but a lot of people

1087
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,300
suggesting uh one was a spider making a

1088
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,640
web potentially artifact on the camera

1089
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:56,400
laser pointer and your response was

1090
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,260
could be that that's fair enough because

1091
00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:00,839
it could be there's a lack of data

1092
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:03,060
around it for you to find that um and I

1093
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,980
think with with stories like that and

1094
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:07,200
and the ones I hear and even my own on

1095
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,300
your own if people say well it could

1096
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:11,040
have been this yeah it could be I I

1097
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,480
don't know that's that's the issue I'm

1098
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:14,640
not saying it as or isn't and even as

1099
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,660
something as ridiculous or incredible as

1100
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,359
someone saw our two guys saw a great

1101
00:42:26,569 --> 00:42:23,520
alien walk past them in the street

1102
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,579
it could have been yeah that's the thing

1103
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:28,800
as well does all their sounds we don't

1104
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:30,420
know that in that moment at that time

1105
00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:32,520
they saw something they weren't meant to

1106
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:35,940
or they were meant to they just saw two

1107
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:37,980
different realities crossing over at the

1108
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:40,020
same point and just happened to be the

1109
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:41,820
right place the right time the wrong

1110
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,260
place at the right time whatever you

1111
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,140
want to say and there it was and maybe

1112
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:48,240
if you look at the other side of it that

1113
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:51,420
gray saw them and had a similar story to

1114
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:53,460
tell that I just saw two weird looking

1115
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,700
figures walking past me and then they

1116
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:59,040
were gone you know and that might be the

1117
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,380
story on the other side of it right man

1118
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,599
I I you know in that kind of Harkens

1119
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:05,760
back to this idea in the Paranormal

1120
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:07,140
World

1121
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:10,440
um you know I I speak a lot to the a

1122
00:43:14,569 --> 00:43:13,020
gentleman named John El Tenney um if you

1123
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,579
haven't had him on your show I highly

1124
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:16,920
suggest getting him on he's just a

1125
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,300
wealth of information

1126
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:20,160
um but he comes up with all these

1127
00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:21,960
theories in the Paranormal world of boy

1128
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:25,560
ghosts could be and he always talks

1129
00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:28,200
about like look people are surprised to

1130
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,319
see an apparition but imagine what they

1131
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,880
must be thinking maybe they're on the

1132
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,040
other side of it being like whoa what

1133
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:37,200
was that I just saw why is that person

1134
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:38,700
wearing like

1135
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:41,640
um you know what you and I are wearing

1136
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,520
right now but they're from the 1800s and

1137
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:46,319
vice versa maybe they're like oh my God

1138
00:43:49,550 --> 00:43:48,180
it's someone from the future when we're

1139
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,560
like oh my God it's someone from the

1140
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:50,640
past

1141
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,740
um so I always find that interesting too

1142
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,440
maybe these UFOs are just as surprised

1143
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,359
and the intelligence behind them are

1144
00:44:01,609 --> 00:43:59,760
just as surprised to see us as we are of

1145
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,619
them it doesn't mean they're coming into

1146
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:04,160
our reality maybe we're for some reason

1147
00:44:10,329 --> 00:44:07,560
stepping into theirs for just a a small

1148
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:10,339
moment as well a glimpse into this other

1149
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,440
realm or reality I don't know I don't

1150
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,599
know all I know is this guy submitted a

1151
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,000
story to me with an alien walking down

1152
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:21,359
the sidewalk and I said huh all right

1153
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:24,359
let's let's put it out there and see

1154
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:26,280
what people have to say and Mike knew

1155
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:28,020
that the guy who reached out to me said

1156
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:29,940
I know this is going to sound crazy and

1157
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:32,280
you and I get that all the time I know

1158
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:34,200
this is going to sound nuts I know this

1159
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:37,380
is going to sound weird but and then out

1160
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:39,960
comes the story so when they do say that

1161
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:41,579
that actually comforts me because I'm

1162
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:42,900
like okay it's not like they're really

1163
00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:45,180
like hi I saw an alien walk down the

1164
00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:47,220
sidewalk it's 100 real I know what it

1165
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:49,859
was they came from Zeta reticuli no this

1166
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:51,480
is just someone who saw something that

1167
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,880
could not explain and by prefacing it

1168
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:55,319
with yeah I know this sounds a little

1169
00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:57,960
nuts but I'm like okay at least you

1170
00:45:03,349 --> 00:44:59,579
acknowledge that this is not something

1171
00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:03,359
you hear every day and that yeah it does

1172
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:06,300
sound crazy they acknowledge that but

1173
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:07,680
I'm still going to tell it to you

1174
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,660
because this is my truth this is what

1175
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:10,800
happened

1176
00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:12,839
absolutely and then that last part was

1177
00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:15,240
was sightings which is the larger part

1178
00:45:19,069 --> 00:45:16,859
of the book part one

1179
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:19,079
um plenty of those in there do you want

1180
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,700
to dig into either one of your favorites

1181
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:23,280
or anyone you want to talk about yeah

1182
00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:25,800
sure they're um oh gosh so many um the

1183
00:45:29,809 --> 00:45:28,500
one I'm coming to right now uh the Fife

1184
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:29,819
Scotland one is probably one of my

1185
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:32,040
favorites the the black blob that

1186
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:34,380
ascended um but there's another one that

1187
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,640
really stuck out to me and that was from

1188
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:37,200
a woman named Elle

1189
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:41,160
um in Ohio in the U.S and back in 2001

1190
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:42,839
um she was only seven years old at the

1191
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,079
time uh but she recalls during a

1192
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:48,300
birthday party

1193
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:50,220
um going out to the backyard at some

1194
00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:54,599
point to get something and um she saw a

1195
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:56,940
flying saucer just just hovering in the

1196
00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:57,839
sky

1197
00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,780
um okay cool prototypical dome-shaped

1198
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,339
flying saucer

1199
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:05,280
um but what really stuck out to me is

1200
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,980
um when she told me about it she said

1201
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,319
that it was literally just floating

1202
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,420
maybe like 10 feet off the ground in

1203
00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:15,359
front of her and it was Tiny so we're

1204
00:46:20,329 --> 00:46:16,980
not talking like what you would you

1205
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,339
would usually see of like a massive

1206
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,440
craft or anything this is like a little

1207
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:25,020
little tiny fine saucer like out of the

1208
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:27,240
Flintstones or something you know the

1209
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:29,640
little Martian that that's hovering in

1210
00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:32,760
his little thing that barely fits him um

1211
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:35,339
that's basically what she saw just this

1212
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:37,980
tiny flying saucer hovering there

1213
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:41,220
um and she also said uh and this really

1214
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,380
stuck out to me she said I sometimes

1215
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:45,359
remember seeing a blurry figure in the

1216
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,880
Dome of the craft but sometimes I don't

1217
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,160
remember that which I found fascinating

1218
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:52,560
as well um and that really goes to the

1219
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:53,940
idea of

1220
00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:57,359
memories faulty and that is a huge

1221
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,400
detriment in the UFO field and and

1222
00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:00,720
something people will debate forever

1223
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:02,040
like oh this happened when you were

1224
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:04,200
seven cool I don't believe any of it

1225
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:06,420
because memory fills in gaps of things

1226
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:09,000
all the time I get it I get it um you

1227
00:47:11,809 --> 00:47:10,440
and I struggle with that too with our

1228
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:11,819
own sightings

1229
00:47:14,569 --> 00:47:13,800
um this is what really stuck out to me

1230
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:14,579
though

1231
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:17,220
um I'll wrap this up with her thing is

1232
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:20,700
she said to me uh seeing is believing

1233
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:22,859
but I guess sometimes even seeing it

1234
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:24,839
can't make you believe it

1235
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,220
which

1236
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:28,440
um I found really interesting even

1237
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,680
though this happened uh she doesn't

1238
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:33,960
want it to have happened she she doesn't

1239
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:36,119
want to believe it in fact she doesn't

1240
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:39,720
believe it but something inside of her

1241
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:42,060
made her want to still tell the story

1242
00:47:44,809 --> 00:47:43,980
and maybe that's enough for her she's

1243
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:44,819
like

1244
00:47:50,569 --> 00:47:47,460
okay I think this happened

1245
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,579
um here take it I don't want it in my

1246
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:53,280
life anymore and look if that's the

1247
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:55,500
closure she needs awesome

1248
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,060
um it's now out there she can move on

1249
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,280
with her life but uh yeah I found that

1250
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:01,200
interesting that you know I start the

1251
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:02,700
book with this quote about seeing is

1252
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:04,020
believing

1253
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:05,339
um and then I had someone in the book

1254
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,380
literally say scene is believing but

1255
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,839
sometimes even seen it can't make you

1256
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:11,280
believe it

1257
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:13,380
um yeah found that a fascinating kind of

1258
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:16,680
uh dichotomy there so yeah yeah that was

1259
00:48:19,790 --> 00:48:18,180
one that stuck out to me

1260
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,800
I think it's a really useful book as

1261
00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:21,119
well because when I what I was thinking

1262
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,099
when I was digging through it

1263
00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:24,960
you don't have to read it chapter one to

1264
00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:26,460
twenty because it's not that type of

1265
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:28,020
book you could literally jump about and

1266
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:29,880
just read the stories put it down go

1267
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:32,220
read story seven put it down jump to

1268
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,780
number 20 just from the titles you've

1269
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:35,040
gave them all kind of quirky titles

1270
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:36,300
haven't you

1271
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:38,220
um could almost be individual plays it's

1272
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:39,960
not just you know triangle sighting you

1273
00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:41,339
know whatever it was

1274
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:43,560
um but then once you're finished with it

1275
00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:45,000
if indeed you're finished it's a good

1276
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,500
book to either pass on to someone else

1277
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,480
or if you're having that conversation

1278
00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:50,640
with friends like I've thought I could

1279
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:52,260
get a copy of this and stick it in my

1280
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:54,300
work when I work in you know I work in a

1281
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:56,460
call center essentially uh doing a

1282
00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:58,560
different job than on the phones for you

1283
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,700
know little highlight for people there

1284
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:01,680
peek behind the cotton

1285
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:03,780
um but we've got like a bookshelf and

1286
00:49:06,829 --> 00:49:04,920
it's the kind of thing you could Stack

1287
00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:06,839
Down people will pack up and go oh I'll

1288
00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:09,180
read a couple of pages and get something

1289
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:10,560
from it and it kind of draws them into

1290
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,180
the UFO topic

1291
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:13,920
um which I really like because we don't

1292
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:15,720
always have time to sit down and read a

1293
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,660
book page one to page 250. it's just not

1294
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:20,640
always possible so I like that format in

1295
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,599
a book

1296
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,000
um really useful I I love this type of

1297
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:25,680
book and I'm going to label it as

1298
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:27,540
possibly you know look how book you can

1299
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,230
thank you for uh clarifying that yeah

1300
00:49:40,550 --> 00:49:38,160
but I used to have books when I was like

1301
00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:40,560
a young single guy and that had loads of

1302
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,540
cool stories about weird experiments

1303
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,920
that had been done throughout time by

1304
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:45,839
different organizations or factions and

1305
00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:48,060
you know LSD on elephants and what the

1306
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:49,740
military would do to stuff and you know

1307
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,420
that kind of quirky thing and I would

1308
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:52,800
sit on my toilet that if people were

1309
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,540
going in they could pick it up in just a

1310
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:56,160
couple of minutes sifting through it oh

1311
00:49:59,809 --> 00:49:58,140
that's quite interesting and then go and

1312
00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:59,819
pick up a copy of it themselves or you

1313
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,560
know whatever or steal it you know and

1314
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:03,359
they could definitely do that SATs like

1315
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:05,160
coffee table sets in a bookshelf and it

1316
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:07,140
could quite rightly sit beside any of

1317
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:09,000
Jacque Valley's works as well so um

1318
00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:10,260
you've covered the bases there from

1319
00:50:14,569 --> 00:50:12,119
toilets to Jacque Valley there's a hard

1320
00:50:17,089 --> 00:50:14,579
review for you what a journey man yeah

1321
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,099
I'm quoting that that's going up on the

1322
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,920
uh the book cover for sure but that's

1323
00:50:22,849 --> 00:50:21,359
also why you never asked me to do the

1324
00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:22,859
forward for it because it would be like

1325
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:24,420
yeah you could sit in the toilet and

1326
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:26,940
have a great time reading this no dude I

1327
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:28,680
take that as a compliment because yeah

1328
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:31,740
it's not like a chronological journey by

1329
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:34,740
any by any stretch of the imagination it

1330
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,780
is a book of stories and I make that

1331
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,460
very clear literally it's in the title

1332
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:41,520
stories from my podcast it's as

1333
00:50:46,849 --> 00:50:44,280
self-explanatory as can be and everyone

1334
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:46,859
has a story and I honestly feel that

1335
00:50:53,329 --> 00:50:49,140
every story has value and adds to

1336
00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:53,339
whatever this thing we call ufology is

1337
00:50:59,210 --> 00:50:56,339
or isn't and um yeah no I truly

1338
00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:59,220
appreciate that um I do I I think I

1339
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,780
think people will dig it

1340
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:02,640
um and you know maybe they won't believe

1341
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,440
everything in the book but maybe one of

1342
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:06,599
the cases will stick out to them or make

1343
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:08,280
them remember oh wait I think I might

1344
00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:11,099
have seen something similar to that so

1345
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:13,859
um yeah it's kind of my way of telling

1346
00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:15,720
people like if you have a story to tell

1347
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,839
just tell it so that we have it

1348
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,160
um you don't have to go on a million

1349
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:22,079
podcasts to talk about it

1350
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:24,839
um you don't have to like you know go on

1351
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,460
television and talk about it or whatever

1352
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,839
you don't ever have to talk about it

1353
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,480
again but let's just get it down so that

1354
00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:32,480
we have it somewhere and preserve it and

1355
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,160
because yeah it's only going to help us

1356
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:37,440
hopefully help us try to understand

1357
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:38,700
these things

1358
00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,260
yeah you don't have to be famous you

1359
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:42,119
don't have to be a name to talk about it

1360
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,980
go on your podcast go on mind go on

1361
00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:46,079
someone else's or or just tweet about it

1362
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,579
Instagram it whatever you want to do if

1363
00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:49,200
you're one of the kids Tech talk it you

1364
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:51,180
know as they do but it's just you know

1365
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,680
if you want to share your story there

1366
00:51:55,849 --> 00:51:54,240
are platforms and ways to do it and

1367
00:51:57,770 --> 00:51:55,859
other people are quite happy to listen

1368
00:51:59,150 --> 00:51:57,780
and right and I think people like myself

1369
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:59,160
and yourself know that better than

1370
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:01,319
anyone that people do want to listen to

1371
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:02,819
what you've got to say for whatever

1372
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,380
reason that might be

1373
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,760
um so yeah don't be scared to put your

1374
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:07,200
story out there and my final question

1375
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,240
was going to be what do you want people

1376
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:11,520
to who pick up a copy of the book to

1377
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:13,260
take away from it is that what it is you

1378
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:14,520
want them to think

1379
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,440
think do you know what maybe I've seen

1380
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:18,720
something and talk about it

1381
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:21,900
yes I mean yeah I sorry that I kind of

1382
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,780
jumped ahead for you there but um yeah I

1383
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:25,680
think so

1384
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:29,160
um I I just want people to understand

1385
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:34,140
like these things are weird and they're

1386
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:36,180
scary and they're beautiful and they're

1387
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,859
everything in between and that's again

1388
00:52:42,190 --> 00:52:39,599
that comes from the playwriting

1389
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:42,200
playwriting side of me is um

1390
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:46,140
everyone everyone has an opinion

1391
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:48,780
everyone has a story to tell and I want

1392
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:51,720
to give them a place to do that and that

1393
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:53,640
remains somewhere in the skies but I

1394
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:55,740
wanted to transcend that too like I want

1395
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:58,440
them to be like okay now that I talked

1396
00:53:02,750 --> 00:52:59,579
about it

1397
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,760
um now I can try to understand it so I

1398
00:53:07,730 --> 00:53:05,040
I've had people tell me um after I heard

1399
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:07,740
it on your show uh I reached out to that

1400
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:09,660
person and I told them that I had a

1401
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:11,460
similar experience and now we're like

1402
00:53:15,230 --> 00:53:13,619
we're working through that together that

1403
00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:15,240
happens all the time which I think is

1404
00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:17,339
awesome like it's bringing people

1405
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,700
together instead of um kind of dividing

1406
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,559
people in terms of their belief systems

1407
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:23,760
and whatnot

1408
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:26,640
um so yeah I think it's it's it's it's a

1409
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:28,440
book that will inspire others to come

1410
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:30,839
forward and I hope that's what happens

1411
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,940
I've already had it happen since people

1412
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:34,800
have read the book they've been like I'm

1413
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,020
ready to tell my story and dude like

1414
00:53:41,809 --> 00:53:39,119
that's that's all I could ever ask for

1415
00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:41,819
is for one more person to be like I saw

1416
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,500
something

1417
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:45,660
um and I want to talk about it and

1418
00:53:49,609 --> 00:53:47,400
that's that's great keeps the

1419
00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:49,619
conversation going and hopefully someday

1420
00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:51,660
we'll get some answers on all of this or

1421
00:53:55,309 --> 00:53:54,180
maybe not I don't know there's only one

1422
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,319
small thing I think you should reach out

1423
00:53:58,609 --> 00:53:57,119
to your Publishers to change and this

1424
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:58,619
came to me as we've been talking about

1425
00:54:01,790 --> 00:54:00,660
it Ryan the story with the guys where

1426
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:01,800
they see the gray walking down the

1427
00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:03,540
street I hope they listen to this and

1428
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:05,339
hear it but um can you change the name

1429
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:06,900
of that story to streetwalker Ranch

1430
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:09,240
because for me that would be absolutely

1431
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:11,400
ideal for for what I've got in my head

1432
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:14,880
oh my gosh I love it man you gotta eat I

1433
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:16,680
gotta give you credit for so much of

1434
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,680
these um these edits for the for the

1435
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:22,559
next edition of this book for sure

1436
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,780
yeah but no lesson uh people can pick it

1437
00:54:29,569 --> 00:54:27,000
up on Amazon is that the best way to do

1438
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,579
that absolutely yeah um it's on Amazon

1439
00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:32,160
and paperback and ebook uh I think it's

1440
00:54:36,290 --> 00:54:34,020
at Barnes and Noble as well in the

1441
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:36,300
United States and and hopefully you'll

1442
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:38,819
be able to order it here in the UK in

1443
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:40,619
bookstores as well soon we're working

1444
00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:43,020
out deals on that now and um I should

1445
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,940
mention that we will have an audio book

1446
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,520
coming in the very near future uh beyond

1447
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:49,980
the frey publishing the the Publishers I

1448
00:54:54,890 --> 00:54:52,740
work with are excellent with that sort

1449
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:54,900
of stuff so um yeah if you want to hear

1450
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:57,180
the audio version of this book uh it

1451
00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:59,460
should be coming hopefully very soon

1452
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:01,800
fingers crossed and I wouldn't be

1453
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:03,660
reading that so folks don't worry that's

1454
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,420
uh it'll be someone who's uh until

1455
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:07,920
language is understood easily so yeah

1456
00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:10,140
you'll be fine that's what you think

1457
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,300
buddy I'll do the Scottish version of it

1458
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:14,160
but yeah Ryan as always brilliantly

1459
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:15,660
speak to you please folks go out and

1460
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,300
pick up a copy of stories from somewhere

1461
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,640
in the skies by Ryan Sprague Link in the

1462
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,319
description but you can go onto Amazon

1463
00:55:26,030 --> 00:55:24,240
and just type in Rhine spring or someone

1464
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:26,040
in Disguise and it will come up and well

1465
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:27,480
yeah they are just pick up a copy of the

1466
00:55:31,790 --> 00:55:30,119
one as well mate as well thank you so

1467
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:31,800
much man I really appreciate your time

1468
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,200
that is all for this week's show thank

1469
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:36,000
you very much for listening please

1470
00:55:40,490 --> 00:55:37,800
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